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The Times They ARE a' Changin'
LT
A quick rehash of the PCSD1 school board meeting...you can tune into Channels 5 and 13, and Wyoming Public Radio, or read all about it in the Casper, Cheyenne, Laramie and Platte County papers this week too, because they were all there. There will likely be additional submissions to Wheaterville too, much to the chagrin of some it seems.

But for those of you who can't wait...here's the brass tacks. The meeting was packed. The chairs were all taken and people were lining the walls and back of the room by 6:50. When the meeting started there were over 70 people packed in like sardines. (Note that room capacity was 75, chairs for 40, so people were sitting in the aisles and crammed into the room outside the meeting room as well.)

 Representatives of the Wyoming ACLU, and the ADL were also in attendance. They didn't say much this time, but their support was noticed and much appreciated.

Chairman Tyson read from the Wyoming Open Meeting Law, that yes, there would be a Public Comment portion of the meeting, because by law there had to be..."I've never seen this part take more than five seconds, but it looks like times are different now." Yep...they sure are.

Tyson warned that everyone had to play nice..."no rallys." Everyone played nice.

Teachers, parents, students, and Platte County residents raised their hands, and each and every one of the local citizens who spoke did so eloquently, and movingly in favor of the No Place for Hate banners and programs. One resident spoke as a veteran of both the military and the Platte County school system. Another spoke as the mother of a grade school student, and explained what the NPFH program meant to her child, and how important that was to her. At least seven PCSD1 teachers attended the meeting, in support of the program. Wheatland, you should be proud of your people! And yes, that is a fact!

After seven or so Platte County residents spoke, Bruce DeBoskey of the ADL was called on. He had a speech he was going to read, but instead he just spoke extemporaneously, and observed that "...really, no one could say it more clearly than you've heard tonight from the parents, and teachers and the students here tonite."

The four WHS students who spoke did their school and their community proud. Two of them had been part of the group who worked on the NPFH program, and all of them shared what a positive impact it had had on the school and on the students.

A petition requesting the school board to define its policy on advertising in the schools was presented and will be on next month's agenda. Since the NPFH Banner was removed ostensibly because it contained "advertising" some residents would like to have the policy for what constitutes "advertising" examined.  " The question of whether to permit advertising in schools operated by Platte County School District #1 is an important one, and the undersigned petitioners believe that it would be desirable for the District to have a definite, consistent policy governing this issue, and any similar issues that might present themselves in the future." 
 At the end of the obligatory 30 minute Public Comment section of the meeting, board member Dallas Mount made a motion that the Public Comment time be extended, so that any and every member of the district who wanted to speak would be allowed to do so.

No board member seconded his motion. That's worth repeating: No board member seconded his motion. Chairman Tyson announced that the motion to allow more discussion by the public had died due to "no second".  Maybe that's where the story starts.

The next board meeting will be March 15, at 7pm. If you didn't get to say what you wanted to at this meeting, or if you aren't sure you were heard this time around, mark your calendars now and be at that next meeting. Times ARE different now...maybe a few more packed school board meetings will get that point across.
Wednesday
2/24/10 1:04 PM
Read it on the Wheaterville Twitter Page: 
http://www.alan.com/2010/02/23/wyoming-school-district-band-anti-hate-banners/comment-page-1/#comment-245659

Alan Combs invited Fabian to be on his show. Fabian says everything the media has reported has been "twisted to the opposite" of what he meant. So Wheatland, you are ultra-liberal, and Wheatland wants all homosexuals to move on in. This is not a joke or The Onion. He really said that he's been quoted out of context. Does he not know that anyone can Google this topic and see exactly what he said and read exactly where and why? FINALLY, this is getting to be the big news it needs to be. Would Fabian have said yes to Hannity? Glen Beck?

Friday
2/19/10 10:46 AM
Dicky : 
Not to worry. Cheney was born in Nebraska. All he did here was get a cheap education, a few DUI's, play games in the half-assed State Legislature (we meet to pass meaningless symbolic bills for one month every other year). Then he got appointed to Big Government, left the State, became a big time Defense Contractor Money Man, moved to Texas, and then "moved" back to the cushy corner of Jackson, Wyoming for a few days to avoid that silly US Constitutional mandate that the VP can't come from the same state as the President. The rest of his stellar career - the part where he sends American kids to die in a war so he can get richer by selling them supplies at inflated prices - is public knowledge.
Friday
2/19/10 10:28 AM
Sorry, but : 
 not surprised of something like this happening in the home state of Dick Cheney and the place of Mathew Sheppard's execution--I just feel sorry for (what I guess is) the majority of Wyoming residents who are good people. 
Friday
2/19/10 7:18 AM
SPDDMN: 
What I find funny is Marc is just going to ignore me because he isafraid to properly explain this vast conspiracy notion he and the otherhomophobes cooked up. THE MESSAGE IS UNIVERSAL! They only care to beinvolved because they wouldn't want the GLFC to be recognized for doinganything positive for anybody... that undermines their entire agenda ofOPPRESSION.
Friday
2/19/10 7:14 AM
SPDDMN: 
If your asking if it is ok to promote tolerance for people who are different then you... then yeah I think that is a noble cause. Don't tell me you bought in to the conspiracy. If that is the case could you please explain to us simple people how the contribution of the GLFC constitutes some vast conspiracy.
Friday
2/19/10 6:58 AM
Ok: 
But it is ok for all of the others and it is ok for them to push that onto the youth, very intersting. Just wanting know the rules of the game so we can all be on the same page.
Thursday
2/18/10 9:03 PM
SPDDMN: 
An agenda of bigotry is not proper for a school board to endorse.
Thursday
2/18/10 7:17 PM
I do not get it: 
So it is ok for the ADL, Teachers, Principals, students, Parents and comminity to have an agenda and opinion but not the School Board                    
Thursday
2/18/10 7:07 PM
You're not really saying??: 
The problem is the school board didn't remove the PROGRAM, they removed the banner the students earned as part of completing said program successfully.

The Anti Defamation League removed the program because the whole idea of the program is to be inclusive and non-discriminating. Which is exactly what the school board was being in removing the banner because of the Gay/Lesbian Fund of Colorado sponsorship!

We can do this though!! I have faith!
Thursday
2/18/10 7:06 PM
WPR piece: 
Looks like Kelly Tyson made some sort of official statement to Wyoming Public Radio, saying that his school board is not going to "revisit the banner issue." I hope the community can prove him wrong. If five people force it on to the agenda, with a petition like the one before them next month, they will have to "revisit" it. The worst thing about this is that not only can the NOT admit they were wrong, they also refuse to take responsibility for what they've done to the students and to the people. Nothing worse then cowards with an attitude!

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wpr/news.newsmain/article/0/1/1612736/WPR..News./Anti-bullying.poster.prompts.meeting

Can someone let us all know if this goes live? Sounds like Abbie really nailed it on the head. Way to go, to you and all the students involved in this, including Kelly Tyson's daughter Lexie. 
Thursday
2/18/10 6:52 PM
curious: 
I think then that the petition delivered at the board meeting was an attempt to force them to revisit the banners by forcing them to come up with an advertising policy. If they say "no advertising", well, they CAN'T say that. So they then have to say advertising is ok and therfore can't ban the banners bc of advertising.

I think that's a fine way to do it, and points out their idiocy.

I also think though, that we should keep this alive with another petiotion delivered NEXT meeting. It has to be carefully worded so that it doesn't restate the "exact same thing", ie hanging the banners.

But, what about a petition asking to have the PROGRRAM reinstated? Would that work? I imagine they'd just vote it down, but it keeps the issue alive. If the ADL, ACLU and others see how important this is to our community, and to the country, if it gets big enough, there will be action.

What would some good wording be to get the program reinstated? Make them keep repeating their bigotry until they hear themselves. The discussion here is great. There are real ideas and there's real action. Wheatland is proving that except for a handful, our town is no place for hate.
Thursday
2/18/10 6:33 PM
Youre not really saying??: 
Involuntarily,
I'm sorry to be a cad and point out your mistake!! But you know Jack, Doug, or MSmith would and not be near as nice!

So, what is the procedure for getting an agenda item?? We only got the 30 minutes of "Visitor" time and believe me, they heard NOTHING!! They were so disinterested, arrogant and put off!
Thursday
2/18/10 6:26 PM
An involuntarily hetrosexual man: 
You're not really saying??:

My mistake -- there are seven Board members, not nine, and the vote was 4-3.

Here's the link to the Wyoming Statute that deals with petitions.  Just scroll down to section 13 (xiii). The Board is required to "Consider every petition presented to the board and subscribed by at least five (5) citizens of the school district and take some action on such petition within thirty (30) days after it is received; provided, that no action shall be required if the precise question presented by the petition has been considered and acted upon by the board of trustees at any meeting held within the current fiscal year;"

The reason we can't petition the Board to vote again is because the statute does not require the Board to act on a petition if the Board has already voted on the same issue.
Thursday
2/18/10 6:23 PM
Leslie: 
     
Am I understanding correctly - the board can address any issue "they" want to; however if "they" don't want to address an issue - then  a person must present a petition which is signed by five (yes the magic number it seems) residents of Platte County who are over the age of 18yr which will then force the board to address that issue?  So if the statutes  ar followed in regards to petitions and at least 5 signatures are verified and presented to the board then the board could be forced to reconsider this issue?
Thursday
2/18/10 6:17 PM
You're not really saying??: 
Involuntarily,
You state everything so much better than I can and I agree with you 100%! But wasn't the board vote 4-3?? And it was reported in several news outlets that Stuart Nelson said he had 5 parents speak to him to complain about the banner. I thought "Well how lucky, you had 5!! The magic number."

But the way you gave the account of the events makes sense. So, why is it we can't petition them to vote again or get this issue as an agenda item??
Thursday
2/18/10 6:02 PM
You're not really saying??: 
Curious,
I'm with you!! Isn't it curious that Stuart Nelson came up with the number 5 (the number it takes for the board to act) to get this in front of the board? After the program had been in place for nearly 2 years and seemed to be working well for the students. Not only did hit he the jackpot with the "Lucky 5" but they made this decision during a part of the agenda called "Good Things Happening"!! This is a good thing? What the heck would a "Bad Thing Happening" be???
Thursday
2/18/10 5:55 PM
An involuntarily hetrosexual man: 
Response to Curious in Platte:

Here's what happened:  After Wheatland High School and West Elementary School completed the No Place for Hate program, and the banner had been hanging for several months, an unknown number of anonymous parents supposedly complained to Superintendent Nelson, and in response to those complaints Nelson unilaterally ordered that the banners be removed. The School Board was not involved at that point.

On January 18, a number of students attended the School Board meeting and asked the Board to permit the banners to be hanged (i.e. they asked the Board to overrule the Superintendent).  The Board voted 5-4 not to overrule the Superintendent.  It wasn't necessary for anybody to present a petition to overrule the Superintendent at that point, because the School Board was willing to consider the matter. A petition is only necessary if you want to force the Board to consider and vote on something.  If the Board is willing to consider and vote on something voluntarily, no petition is necessary.
Thursday
2/18/10 4:53 PM
SPDDMN: 
Not in the least Jack. I don't care who sponsors a universal message of peace. But really, do you think he would contribute to this cause?

Since we will not agree on the opinion you quoted as evidence of what the homosexual condition really represents, let's leave it at the fact that we are each entitled to our opinion on what is a natural function of the brain, ok? That is an entirely different subject.

Thursday
2/18/10 4:42 PM
SPDDMN: 
"The post modern relativist ignores any evidence that might contradict their personal opinion."

Great point MSmith. Very good point. Except you should replace relativist with "absolutist."

Absolutist-

Relativist-


Thursday
2/18/10 4:39 PM
Jack: 
Read it long ago, it does not disprove that homosexuals are mentally ill.
That has not changed, a political decision made under threat is not reality.

The program is a vehicle for desensitization, it could not be more clear.

What would you say if we had the same banners and used the logo from Rush Limbaughs show?

Would the advertising all of a sudden matter to you?

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