Thursday, July 29, 2010
Family Values Cowboy Style
Things could be worse. You live in Wheaterville, but you could live 70 miles down the road, in Cheyenne, the Divorce Capital of the USA! So much for Family Values!

This is Cheyenne with NO banners (that we know of) promoting that Gay Marriage Agenda which the leadership of Wheatland sees around every corner. Can you imagine how rampant d-i-v-o-r-c-e would be if those Cheyenne folks were assaulted every day with 6 feet by 3 feet “No Place For Hate” banners with a Gay and Lesbian Fund of Colorado logo right there at the bottom of it, big as an, um, golf ball? It strikes fear in the heart of a cowboy!

Yes, Cheyenne, WY has more divorces per capita than any other place in the entire country. Reno, you know, Reno, NV, where you can get a divorce at a corner kiosk, and have the papers served on your soon-to-be unsignificant other for less than a Liberal Vanilla Latte? Well, Reno came in second. Cheyenne first,  Reno second.

Where to go for the best chance at a lasting marriage? San Jose, CA. Shocking. San Jose is not only in California, it’s also really, really close to San Francisco. Maybe San Francisco’s borders are tight and none of that Gay Agenda can leak out? Who knows.

So Wheatland, it could be worse. Your town bans an anti-bullying program because (EGADS!) it was free to you because the Anti-Defamation League funded it, and included partial sponsorship and that scary  Colorado Gay and Lesbian Fund logo. Take heart Wheatland. At least you have a higher percentage of intact marriages per capita than your neighbor Cheyenne. 

Cheyenne, you're the capital of the Equality State. Stay firm in your stance against Marriage Equality! Heavens to Betsy, if all those cowboys could suddenly go climb Brokeback Mountain, can anyone estimate what the divorce rate would be? 

Read the Liberal Media Coverage Here.
1:37 PM
Jack: 
Ok, Wheaterville's dead I guess.



Wednesday
7/14/10 11:46 AM
Jack: 
Wheaterville, you better start updating regularly.


This thing is dead.

Wednesday
7/14/10 11:37 AM
Jack: 
Ummm, I don't remember where I said I did.
I'm still here, but support the Gov of Hawaii for vetoing that trash.

Guess what!
I just got my absentee ballot and it is fun thinking how horrified you would be at my vote.








Tuesday
7/13/10 9:44 PM
to Jack: 
So glad you moved across the ocean...
Wednesday
7/7/10 4:52 PM
Jack: 
Victory in Hawaii!

Take that mental illness advocates!


Monday
7/5/10 4:03 PM
not sure what is going on: 
Why do the people of the town, and county not know what is going on with the fire hall. Is the town hiding something or just throwing our tax dollars away? Can some one out inform the tax payers why things are not working out, and why the town will not put any money into there own building.
Thursday
6/24/10 2:00 PM
Jack: 
"Yes, Cheyenne, WY has more divorces per capita than any other place in the entire country."
This is factually incorrect.

The "list" put out by Men's Health Magazine based it's "rankings" on a lot more than actual divorce numbers.
They only looked at 100 cities and used these things to rank:

1) Number of failed marriages
2) Wyoming's lax divorce laws
3) Percentage of population that has split
4) Number of licensed marriage and family therapists

That is a lot different than the actual numbers and the list is mostly meaningless.

Their opinion of our laws and number of therapists does not equal more divorces numerically.
One might also argue that having more therapists means more people are committed to using them and SAVING their marriages.

Just a lot of fluff and the author makes huge mistakes in his/her assumptions.
Seems like they did not even read the article.
Thursday
6/24/10 1:45 PM
To Blondie: 
Not hardly!  You have to reside in the county you are getting your divorce in for a minimum of 60 days.
Thursday
6/24/10 12:50 PM
Blondie: 
The reason Cheyenne;s divorce rate is probably so high is because of all the transients that come through.  With the I-25/I-80 as a crossroads, and the economy being what it is, a lot of people are on the roads.  In these so-uncertain times people tend to a little lost and find life is easier being single, no baggage.  It is a very sad state of affairs for our world and it is sad that Cheyenne has to be a stopping place that gets a bad hit because of it, Cheyenne does not deserve it, it is a great city.
Tuesday
6/8/10 11:39 AM
Jack: 
To Nancy M:
Politicians do do that, but you will still have to go a lot farther before any majority claims have any real teeth. Wheatland is not a thriving hive of progressives.

As far as media is concerned, of course.
There really is no such thing as "objective" media, as the simple act of selection induces a bias.
Tuesday
6/8/10 6:37 AM
Nancy M: 
Jack, politicians often convince the voters they are leaning one way on popular (and other) issues.  Once they get in office they know they have a set length of time to push "their" agenda thru before they get voted out of office.  You pointed to one in your reply.  It is also true that the media (yes, even Wheaterville and The Record Times) push the information they want everyone to know. 
have a good day
Monday
6/7/10 9:09 AM
Jack: 
"Had I seen into the future, I probably would have  not bothered to vote on school board people."

If you don't vote, you don't count, it's that simple.

People that remain on the sidelines don't count either.

"...but I do not like to see people RAM thier personal agendas the way it appears they have."

Of you mean folks like Tim Gill who use the program as a fence for his agenda and a way to get his garbage in our schools?

"Just because someone gets voted into an office does not mean the "majority" agree and support EVERY decision that elected person makes."
Nope, not always, but I still claim the majority.

Until an election or other event proves the majority has shifted it's opinions I do not believe any of these majority claims.

And, if you don't vote, you're not in either the minority or majority, you will simply be ignored.
Friday
6/4/10 9:27 PM
Nancy M: 
oh Jack... sorry but when I voted for school board I did not know they would be voting on the banner issue the way they did.  Had I seen into the future, I probably would have  not bothered to vote on school board people. Why?  I have no children in the schools, but I do not like to see people RAM thier personal agendas the way it appears they have.  (I was not at any of the meeting so I did not see for my self what happened.  I do believe much  'twisted' reporting goes on) Just because someone gets voted into an office does not mean the "majority" agree and support EVERY decision that elected person makes.
Friday
6/4/10 6:44 PM
Another WHS student: 
http://blog.alfranken.com/2010/05/20/star-tribune-franken-bill-would-protect-gay-students/

Our school doesn't care about gay students. Neither does the whole state. Everyone knows at least one Matthew Sheperd joke and they'd way rather tell that joke then stand up for what is right. Minnesota is way more progressive. Why can't anyone do this in Wyoming? Oh I know why. Because Wyoming likes to be the anti-gay state. Great thiing to be famous for.
Friday
6/4/10 4:12 PM
Jack: 
"For what it is worth, WHS was a better place when we had the program."

Really? What evidence can you offer that is not anecdotal?

I don't remember reading any stats about how WHS is now awash in violence or anything.

Friday
6/4/10 4:00 PM
Jack: 
To Momer:
"Jack isn't much when it comes to logic. And he has no idea what "the majority" thinks in Platte County, or even who that "majority" is.
Really?
Then why are the banners still down?
IF, and this is a big if, the elections swing the seats and you somehow get your disgusting banner back, I will believe your claim of majority status, but not now.
Political will changes all the time, that is why we have to keep working hard to keep the ADL and Tom Gill out of our schools not just this year, but for all time.

But, as it stands now, you aren't the majority and that's why you lost. There is political will and then there are political realities.
Your side lost this year.
Hopefully we will make that loss permanent because mental illness is not something that should be enshrined by politicians.

Until you change the paradigm, claims of majority status don't have any backing.

Your misguided side lost. 
End of story.
Friday
6/4/10 3:56 PM
WHS Senior: 
Methinks Jack doth protesteth too much. For not being at all bothered I mean. Jack is also wrong about the 4 members voting their constituents wishes, unless they all had ESP or something. They actually refused to table it and voted on the spot. It was really bad.For what it is worth, WHS was a better place when we had the program. Jack and whoever can gloat all they want but the truth is that the banners helped and no one I know decided to become gay because of the logo. We're t he ones who lost. Its not the people who are trying to get the program back.
Friday
6/4/10 3:41 PM
Jack: 
To Sticking with KoolAid:
So spelling it out in a post is "subliminal?"
Really?
Let's take a look at the word you chose.
Definition:
1 : inadequate to produce a sensation or a perception
2 : existing or functioning below the threshold of consciousness

Writing it plainly is not subliminal.
You really are off the deep end and/or maybe you need to go back to school? You probably went to public school which would be the reason you use large words you don't understand.

It just shows that even an "enlightened" liberal like yourself is still full of "bigotry" and "hate" and can not resist using defamatory terms.
You need to check yourself into a good liberal therapy retreat so they can help you with your problem. Maybe they can cleanse you.

Of course that last paragraph is pure jest. What you really need is a vocabulary and better arguments. It was slightly satisfying to point out the idiocy of your statements and use of the word "gayly."
And no, not everyone that disagrees with you on the issue is a closeted homosexual.

Do you really think your silly insinuation would somehow bother me? Your ad hominem attack lends no weight to anything.

To Incredulous:
The persons on the board voting represent their voters and are voting the way their constituents wish.
Sorry, the majority of those voters wanted that banner down. It's just a fact. If you have such a majority on your side how come you keep losing on the issue?

Friday
6/4/10 3:39 PM
Momer: 
Jack isn't much when it comes to logic. And he has no idea what "the majority" thinks in Platte County, or even who that "majority" is. He is a big ol' Puffer Fish. You know, the fish that puff themselves up because they're scared of things, and strut around like they are someone. The more someone talks about "their influence" and "their resources" the less of either they have. Incredulous, is it true that the the four banner banners asked their churches to back them and each of their churches said no? That's what I heard. And also, does Joe Fabian have any kids?
Friday
6/4/10 2:31 PM
Sticking with KoolAid: 
To Jack:
Snag, catch, reel in.
Gotcha Jack.
Only someone with something to hide would have caught those subliminal cues. :)
Seriously.
Proud of you jack! Come out come out wherever you are!!!
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Wheatland School Board Meeting Tonight
Ah, the Ides of March. Dig into your high school freshman memories. In 44 BC Julius Caesar was stabbed on the steps of the Roman Senate. Not a good day for Caesar.

Will the Ides of March 2010 be a good day for the Wheatland School Board? Will they "succeed" at confirming that yes indeed, Wheatland Is A Place For Hate? Or will concerned Platte County citizens and WHS students show up to try once again to talk sense into their closed little minds? What Would Jesus Do? He'd grab his dad's hammer and put those banners up himself.

Tonight's school board meeting starts at 7pm, at the usual place. The board is keeping its collective fingers crossed that they "won" and that everyone will have forgotten those soundbytes and all the recognition their Hate Games illicited for our fair town. They're hoping with whatever hearts they have that no one will show, no one will ask questions, no one will make them think.

See you at the meeting. The board will have to allow that confounded 30 minutes of public comment (and this time shout foul if Kelly Tyson uses some of it like he did month) but they won't like it any more than they did last time. Dallas Mount may ask that the time be extended, so that all may be heard, but likely no other board member will have the decency to second his motion. Again.
 
The board will have to deal with the "No Advertising in Schools" situation, because that was officially asked for. Seeing how they decide to handle that alone will be worth attending the meeting.

WHS is safe from the No Place For Hate label. No one is thinking of moving to Wheatland or Wyoming for its progressive, or liberal or "Do Unto Others" ethics. No one thinks that Wheatland is even aware of what's going on outside its walls. Nope, Wheatland is "safe" from infiltration by anyone who doesn't Think Like Jack. Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

Any change for Wheatland will have to come from those of us who already live here. If Wheatland is ever to be more than what it is, it will be because of the people like the ones who showed up, and spoke up last month at the school board meeting, and those of us who will indeed show up again. Please join us. Make them listen to 30 more minutes of what the people of Platte want. Show them that Wheatland is NO Place For Hate.
Thursday
4/1/10 10:20 PM
MP: 
A little clarification on the March 16 & 17 comments on the closing of Platte County's Public Shooting range.  There was some new fence being put in and the folks who were working on the fence were tired of hitting the ground to dodge the bullets and didn't want to take a bullet in the head, so they requested it be closed while they were working to avoid any mishaps.  It had not a thing to do with the School Board.
Wednesday
3/24/10 2:03 PM
Input required from Jack: 
So Jack, what should we do about these gays? Should we ban them from going to any and all dances? And I'm not talking just high school, I'm talking adults too. Should we ban them from attending ALL functions as couples because, as you so wisely put it, it's glorifying them.

i
Wednesday
3/24/10 12:28 PM
No Prom for Jack!: 
Hey, Jack wants to ban the "mentally ill" (as determined by... ah... his own crazy self) from social events. Gee, that's a good idea, Jack. I thnk they should ban you from this here forum. 
Wednesday
3/24/10 11:47 AM
Jack: 
I am aware of the story and fully support the school board there.
There is no "right" to a prom and if those folks do not wish to support glorifying a mental illness they have a right to cancel it.
Tuesday
3/23/10 5:14 PM
To Jack: 
Well, you might want to try Mississippi.. go to BBC. com Today and check out the Prom girl and what it did to a little town.  Cancled prom cuz she wanted to bring her girlfriend.
Friday
3/19/10 8:10 AM
Jack: 
I would love to but I do not think I am photogenic enough for politics.
Thursday
3/18/10 3:23 PM
Jack for Mayor of Wheatland: 
Jack, I'm assuming you live in Wheatland because you're so into the slime of it all. You should really, and I mean this sincerely, think about running for Mayor or at least Commissioner of Platte. You are a perfect mouthpiece for the community! You are the epitome of all that is Wheatland and Platte. You have the politics, the philosophy and the intelligence that set Wheatland apart from, well, from anywhere else in the entire country, and, likely the world. You ARE Wheatland! Please Jack, step up to the plate and keep speaking up for Wheatland. We need you Jack. With you in charge of at least a part of things, there will be no gays come running in here, and the liberals will finally take a cue and get the heck outta here and take their lattes with them. Jack for Mayor! Then Jack for Governor once he's cleaned up the streets of Wheatland. You're a great representative for Wheatland residents.
Thursday
3/18/10 11:24 AM
Jack: 
"So Jack put you down for "no advertisiing" in school at all? Wonder what they'll paint the floor of the gym with?"

Maybe the school name or colors, mascot etc?


Thursday
3/18/10 8:38 AM
Jack: 
"From what i heard no one else on that board had the courage to second the motion, therefore shutting the free speech off."

Sorry, there are no free speech issues. The freaks got their half hour public comment period to annoy everyone.

The board was well within it's rights to not extend annoyance time.
Wednesday
3/17/10 9:40 PM
MSmith: 
Wheaterville Resident,
You’re suggesting that the school board had something to do with the shooting range being closed for a few days?
Wednesday
3/17/10 8:36 PM
Wheaterville Resident: 
Well, must be why the City locked up the "PUBLIC" shooting range a few days back.  So no one could practice before the meetings???? Or since we had a few nice days, no one could use the PUBLIC shooting range. No sign on the gate as to why- local Sheriff has no clue since it is not HIS problem. 
Tuesday
3/16/10 9:43 PM
MSmith: 
Where’s the news about all the people who turned out in support of the banners? Why hasn’t wheaterville.com reported on the record number of people who addressed the Board of Trustees at last nights meeting?
Tuesday
3/16/10 4:26 PM
Love people: 
"Those" folks are people as well.  Just becase we may not be comfortable with them.  The challenge in loving one another is to love someone that is different than you or maybe "unloveable".
Tuesday
3/16/10 4:26 PM
Play the Game: 
Was Dallas just playing the game. Make a motion knowing full well it wouldn't get a second. Happens all the time to make people think you are on their side. It is a great vote getter. Have the paper do an interview with him where he will go on public record. Then there will not be any doubt on his view point.
Tuesday
3/16/10 8:58 AM
OtMElTOst: 
to concept man: Forget the banners. Dallas Mount made a motion that all the public be heard. That's free speech, that's American, that's Wyoming. From what i heard no one else on that board had the courage to second the motion, therefore shutting the free speech off. Who cares about the banners? Wheatland is a gay free town now, thanks Joe Fabian the dance teacher and Kelly Tyson who says no to all advertising, at least sometimes, and lee Dunham who along with Fabian and Tyson just needs to learn to say "no comment". School board one, Wheatland, zero. A really big zero.
Tuesday
3/16/10 7:35 AM
Here is a Concept: 
So you want to keep Dallas Mount on the Board what exactly has he done to warrent this. Made motions and voted to keep the banners. Why did he vote to keep the banners. He or anyone else that voted for them has never said that I know of. I have not heard Dallas get up in the meetings and defend the banners. Maybe he has in the local coffee shop to drum up votes for the next election or to avoid a conflict.
Tuesday
3/16/10 7:25 AM
Speaking: 
The FAB FOUR where elected by the majority to speak for the District, 65 is not a majority.
Tuesday
3/16/10 6:36 AM
News: 
Ha, Ha, News  this morning reads, "Lesbian Air Force Sergeant Discharged After Police Find Marriage Certificate". I love it. "And Stay Out"!
Monday
3/15/10 7:50 PM
Vote em out: 
65 speak a lot louder then the FAB FOUR, who brought this all on the town. Bring back the banners and get rid of the board, except for Dallas Mount.
Monday
3/15/10 6:41 PM
To PC Parent: 
A crowd of 65 give or take speak for a School district of over 4,000. What is wrong with this picture.
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A Banner Day in Platte County
A school board in Wheatland, Wyoming, made its message loud and clear during a recent meeting: Schools are a place for hate. Or so disciples of modus tollens would insist, now that the administrators administrating Platte Country School District have reaffirmed their decision to prevent the area's temples of education from hoisting banners that read NO PLACE FOR HATE.

The Anti-Defamation League-sponsored posters had already been 86ed by the board once back in January, but hate-hating parents, students, teachers, and members of the community's "we want people to like each other" camp swarmed to the board's meeting earlier this week to try to sway the opinion. The gathering quickly became a place for hate.

The original snag, according to the article, was the inclusion on the banner of a logo for the Gay and Lesbian Fund for Colorado—a deal breaker for naysaying board members. Discouraging hate they're all for. But discouraging hate against a specific group, while also discouraging hate against everyone else not in that group? That might seem like anti-hate preferential treatment. And you know how high school kids get about perceived favoritism.

But not to worry. Board chairman Kelly Tyson swept in with an enlightenment bomb and explained that he simply didn't want to deal with the social issues (what are those?), and that the schools are equipped to handle cases of hate in-house. For example, he cited the district's strict stance against bullying, thereby reassuring the assemblage that, if nothing else, the school is doing what every other school in the entire world already halfheartedly does.

What the board members failed to realize is that the banner would not actually curtail hatred—the preservation of which clearly being important to them. Rather, it would just encourage students to relate to one another as human beings and exalt individual expression as the highest virtue. But since all high school students do—other than text naked pictures of themselves to each other—is indiscriminately hate, the board members wouldn't have anything to worry about. Except maybe the cost to pay union custodians to hang the banners, those collectivized wage-gougers.

—Neil Janowitz

Check out Neil on his blog!


Saturday
2/27/10 7:31 AM
From me to To eww...: 
Oh I don't know...I figured people would be just flooding this site with comments after what I said. Darn it! You got me!!!
Saturday
2/27/10 6:26 AM
To Ewww: 
How come you are not getting much response?
Friday
2/26/10 9:02 PM
hey: 
Hey Randy! Are you any relation to Clark Kent?
Friday
2/26/10 7:17 PM
Ewww to haha... : 
Please tell me we have more people like Randy here than haha. PLEASE!!
Friday
2/26/10 6:42 PM
ha ha,: 
Hey Randy!!! And thats the way we like it! Stay away!
Friday
2/26/10 6:36 PM
way out side the LOOP: 
all I said was that I was out of the current loop of this thread.  Live right in Wheatland, heart of Platte County Wyoming and proud of it... dont hate anyone, not even my ex.
Friday
2/26/10 5:23 PM
Randy Kent: 
Too Bad: No one who doesn't agree with Jack lives anywhere near you. Just like no one who is disgusted with the school board's actions lives in Platte County. Just ask Stuart Nelson. Heaven's no, everyone in Wheatland thinks Jack is really smart and that hate is a good thing.  

Neil I like your blog alot, good stuff.
Friday
2/26/10 12:18 PM
Outsider: 
Oh, I live here!  Right around the corner FROM YOU!
Friday
2/26/10 12:07 PM
SPDDMN: 
Truth knows no bounds. And yes, I live in Wyoming but I'm no "liberal." Libertarian yes, but not liberal.

Can't speak for the others.
Friday
2/26/10 11:16 AM
Too Bad : 
Too bad all you left wing liberals have to gang up on Jack. Surely you people dont live here do you? I hope not!
Thursday
2/25/10 8:19 PM
Outsider: 
Lol!  That's a good one! 

I don't say much to him, because I wouldn't waste too much time on him.  Why feed him anymore?  Bye, Jack. 

Thursday
2/25/10 7:45 PM
way outside the loop: 
Jack, me thinks you became mentally unstable (ILL) from spending too much time on this site trying to justify your phobias. 
Thursday
2/25/10 6:46 PM
SPDDMN: 
Antiquated beliefs and biased observations based in popular opinion. That is how it ended up on the list in the first place giving cause for the political climate that lead to it's removal. Just admit it Jack, every honest study from 1973 on concludes that it should not be listed as a mental illness. Your hung up on the idea that since the removal was influenced politically that qualifies it as a mental illness, yet there is no scientific evidence to support your position, never has been.
Thursday
2/25/10 6:08 PM
Outsider: 
You're referring to a book that was written in the 1800's, about sadism and masochism!  Get a grip on yourself!
 
You are just too funny dude!
Thursday
2/25/10 4:21 PM
Jack: 
"I would like to add that a unbiased CONTROLLED observation would be creditable scientific evidence. Has anything like that ever been done?"

In reference to schizophrenics, MPD, bipolar and some other disorders I am pretty sure that has been done.
It would take me some time to find an answer on that, I do have a psychologist in the extended family that could probably provide me with something, but it's not something I could post right away, I would have to ask them.

"Now, "distress and difficulty in functioning" is dependent on the environment that the person lives, leaving up for debate whether negative social attitudes towards homosexuals would cause them to meet the last two requirements of the definition. Please consider these factors in your response."

This is problematic. There are many cases of people being seriously mentally ill without it causing them "distress." They end up causing distress in others. There are a lot of good examples among famous killers.

As to original? You need to have access to a decent university library, that goes pretty far back, pre 1900's through the 40's and a lot of those pubs are rare.
You are talking about people like Sandor Rado,
Charles Socarides and Richard von Krafft-Ebing in Psychopathia Sexualis.

Since I am no longer in school I don't have current access to them. You would have to make a trip to a decent University and look them up or have access to their databases which I no longer have.

When I was in school I read a lot of books and papers I have no way to get my hands on now.

However, whichever way you cut it, point two has been based on point one which was political, therefor point two is compromised.

On top of all that you have common sense. Any other item that appeared in such a small amount of the general population would be considered abnormal, NOT normal. It is like saying birth defects are a normal condition.

It's all based on emotion and politics.
The whole gene idea has been thoroughly discredited with twin studies. It will most likely fall out to be a combination of pre-natal and/or early childhood influences, in other words the usual places where most mental illnesses are either created or exacerbated.
 
To Outsider:
You never know, however I was a 55D20 in the US Army. I have had my status tested before receiving security clearances on several occasions.
If I were mentally ill I think it would have been caught long ago.
I do have a psychologist in the family and I think they would warn my family if they thought I had such problems.

Thursday
2/25/10 2:38 PM
Outsider: 
You said yourself Jack that "there are a lot of mentally ill people that live their lives without being noticed, that doesn't make them well either."  Could you be one?
Thursday
2/25/10 1:23 PM
SPDDMN: 
Also, how many schizos have a history of maintaining employment, continued education, and healthy relationships with peers, family and friends? That is not a appropriate comparison, Jack.

I would like to add that a unbiased CONTROLLED observation would be creditable scientific evidence. Has anything like that ever been done?

mental illness: A health condition that changes aperson’s thinking, feelings, or behavior (or all three) and that causesthe person distress and difficulty in functioning.
http://science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih5/mental/other/glossary.htm

This is what is up for debate: try to stay within the definition of mental illness. The first part of the definition I would agree that homosexuality fits this description (thinking, feeling, behavior) with exception of the word "health." It is the second part that is up for debate.

Now, "distress and difficulty in functioning" is dependent on the environment that the person lives, leaving up for debate whether negative social attitudes towards homosexuals would cause them to meet the last two requirements of the definition. Please consider these factors in your response.
Thursday
2/25/10 12:59 PM
SPDDMN: 
Jack-
Your first point could possibly be agreed on... But we must first verify point two.

Would you please cite the ORIGINAL scientific evidence that caused homosexuality to be listed as an illness in the first place? If we are going to discuss SCIENTIFIC evidence we will have to start there.
Thursday
2/25/10 11:45 AM
Jack: 
Nice try but no.
You wrote: "This observation can also be reinforced with testimony from family, friends, employers, co-workers, social service providers, and others that interact with homosexuals who do indeed live normal, healthy, rewarding, and productive lives. Stories of people that embraced their differing sexual preferences and those that interact with them are all the evidence needed by those that do not fear diversity."

Stories and anecdotes are not scientific evidence no matter how you cut it. I bet you can find plenty of people that are schizo that will claim the same. There are a lot of mentally ill people that live their lives without being noticed, doesn't make them well either.

There are two pieces of this argument.
One, the APA's decision was political, not medical.
Two, that homosexuality is a mental illness, just as it was in 1973.

Number one is well established by the homosexual activists themselves and the history surrounding the APA's meetings.
Number two was well established for years and years and was only brought into question by number one above, which, you guessed it, is not based on any science or medicine but politics and activism.
This is not something you can decide on based on a few posts on a comment board.

I do not have the ability to post the text from dozens of books and studies here.

I posted enough good references to get you started. This is not based on one opinion and a lot of the material comes from homosexual psychiatrists, in essence, from the horses mouth.

Now you can search for the truth , which takes time and effort, or you can say "I'm too lazy to bother and will just let my emotions and current opinion decide for me." 

If that's the way you want to approach it, fine, but it does not reflect reality or the history of the subject.

I used to be considered fairly liberal on these issues and ten years ago would probably have agreed with you.
My opinion has changed because I actually took a hard look at it and investigated it.

Thursday
2/25/10 11:41 AM
Twistin' away : 
Of course Joe Fabian would say news organizations "twisted" his words. Like someone else pointed out, nowhere did he say they misquoted him. The outrageous statements from Mr. Fabian that have been appearing in articles are DIRECT quotes from his mouth. Oh, but the big, bad media "twisted" his words somehow. Or maybe...just MAYBE...he's finally realizing what a colossal mistake he made in voicing these ignorant statements.
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The Times They ARE a' Changin'
A quick rehash of the PCSD1 school board meeting...you can tune into Channels 5 and 13, and Wyoming Public Radio, or read all about it in the Casper, Cheyenne, Laramie and Platte County papers this week too, because they were all there. There will likely be additional submissions to Wheaterville too, much to the chagrin of some it seems.

But for those of you who can't wait...here's the brass tacks. The meeting was packed. The chairs were all taken and people were lining the walls and back of the room by 6:50. When the meeting started there were over 70 people packed in like sardines. (Note that room capacity was 75, chairs for 40, so people were sitting in the aisles and crammed into the room outside the meeting room as well.)

 Representatives of the Wyoming ACLU, and the ADL were also in attendance. They didn't say much this time, but their support was noticed and much appreciated.

Chairman Tyson read from the Wyoming Open Meeting Law, that yes, there would be a Public Comment portion of the meeting, because by law there had to be..."I've never seen this part take more than five seconds, but it looks like times are different now." Yep...they sure are.

Tyson warned that everyone had to play nice..."no rallys." Everyone played nice.

Teachers, parents, students, and Platte County residents raised their hands, and each and every one of the local citizens who spoke did so eloquently, and movingly in favor of the No Place for Hate banners and programs. One resident spoke as a veteran of both the military and the Platte County school system. Another spoke as the mother of a grade school student, and explained what the NPFH program meant to her child, and how important that was to her. At least seven PCSD1 teachers attended the meeting, in support of the program. Wheatland, you should be proud of your people! And yes, that is a fact!

After seven or so Platte County residents spoke, Bruce DeBoskey of the ADL was called on. He had a speech he was going to read, but instead he just spoke extemporaneously, and observed that "...really, no one could say it more clearly than you've heard tonight from the parents, and teachers and the students here tonite."

The four WHS students who spoke did their school and their community proud. Two of them had been part of the group who worked on the NPFH program, and all of them shared what a positive impact it had had on the school and on the students.

A petition requesting the school board to define its policy on advertising in the schools was presented and will be on next month's agenda. Since the NPFH Banner was removed ostensibly because it contained "advertising" some residents would like to have the policy for what constitutes "advertising" examined.  " The question of whether to permit advertising in schools operated by Platte County School District #1 is an important one, and the undersigned petitioners believe that it would be desirable for the District to have a definite, consistent policy governing this issue, and any similar issues that might present themselves in the future." 
 At the end of the obligatory 30 minute Public Comment section of the meeting, board member Dallas Mount made a motion that the Public Comment time be extended, so that any and every member of the district who wanted to speak would be allowed to do so.

No board member seconded his motion. That's worth repeating: No board member seconded his motion. Chairman Tyson announced that the motion to allow more discussion by the public had died due to "no second".  Maybe that's where the story starts.

The next board meeting will be March 15, at 7pm. If you didn't get to say what you wanted to at this meeting, or if you aren't sure you were heard this time around, mark your calendars now and be at that next meeting. Times ARE different now...maybe a few more packed school board meetings will get that point across.
Wednesday
2/24/10 1:04 PM
Read it on the Wheaterville Twitter Page: 
http://www.alan.com/2010/02/23/wyoming-school-district-band-anti-hate-banners/comment-page-1/#comment-245659

Alan Combs invited Fabian to be on his show. Fabian says everything the media has reported has been "twisted to the opposite" of what he meant. So Wheatland, you are ultra-liberal, and Wheatland wants all homosexuals to move on in. This is not a joke or The Onion. He really said that he's been quoted out of context. Does he not know that anyone can Google this topic and see exactly what he said and read exactly where and why? FINALLY, this is getting to be the big news it needs to be. Would Fabian have said yes to Hannity? Glen Beck?

Friday
2/19/10 10:46 AM
Dicky : 
Not to worry. Cheney was born in Nebraska. All he did here was get a cheap education, a few DUI's, play games in the half-assed State Legislature (we meet to pass meaningless symbolic bills for one month every other year). Then he got appointed to Big Government, left the State, became a big time Defense Contractor Money Man, moved to Texas, and then "moved" back to the cushy corner of Jackson, Wyoming for a few days to avoid that silly US Constitutional mandate that the VP can't come from the same state as the President. The rest of his stellar career - the part where he sends American kids to die in a war so he can get richer by selling them supplies at inflated prices - is public knowledge.
Friday
2/19/10 10:28 AM
Sorry, but : 
 not surprised of something like this happening in the home state of Dick Cheney and the place of Mathew Sheppard's execution--I just feel sorry for (what I guess is) the majority of Wyoming residents who are good people. 
Friday
2/19/10 7:18 AM
SPDDMN: 
What I find funny is Marc is just going to ignore me because he isafraid to properly explain this vast conspiracy notion he and the otherhomophobes cooked up. THE MESSAGE IS UNIVERSAL! They only care to beinvolved because they wouldn't want the GLFC to be recognized for doinganything positive for anybody... that undermines their entire agenda ofOPPRESSION.
Friday
2/19/10 7:14 AM
SPDDMN: 
If your asking if it is ok to promote tolerance for people who are different then you... then yeah I think that is a noble cause. Don't tell me you bought in to the conspiracy. If that is the case could you please explain to us simple people how the contribution of the GLFC constitutes some vast conspiracy.
Friday
2/19/10 6:58 AM
Ok: 
But it is ok for all of the others and it is ok for them to push that onto the youth, very intersting. Just wanting know the rules of the game so we can all be on the same page.
Thursday
2/18/10 9:03 PM
SPDDMN: 
An agenda of bigotry is not proper for a school board to endorse.
Thursday
2/18/10 7:17 PM
I do not get it: 
So it is ok for the ADL, Teachers, Principals, students, Parents and comminity to have an agenda and opinion but not the School Board                    
Thursday
2/18/10 7:07 PM
You're not really saying??: 
The problem is the school board didn't remove the PROGRAM, they removed the banner the students earned as part of completing said program successfully.

The Anti Defamation League removed the program because the whole idea of the program is to be inclusive and non-discriminating. Which is exactly what the school board was being in removing the banner because of the Gay/Lesbian Fund of Colorado sponsorship!

We can do this though!! I have faith!
Thursday
2/18/10 7:06 PM
WPR piece: 
Looks like Kelly Tyson made some sort of official statement to Wyoming Public Radio, saying that his school board is not going to "revisit the banner issue." I hope the community can prove him wrong. If five people force it on to the agenda, with a petition like the one before them next month, they will have to "revisit" it. The worst thing about this is that not only can the NOT admit they were wrong, they also refuse to take responsibility for what they've done to the students and to the people. Nothing worse then cowards with an attitude!

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wpr/news.newsmain/article/0/1/1612736/WPR..News./Anti-bullying.poster.prompts.meeting

Can someone let us all know if this goes live? Sounds like Abbie really nailed it on the head. Way to go, to you and all the students involved in this, including Kelly Tyson's daughter Lexie. 
Thursday
2/18/10 6:52 PM
curious: 
I think then that the petition delivered at the board meeting was an attempt to force them to revisit the banners by forcing them to come up with an advertising policy. If they say "no advertising", well, they CAN'T say that. So they then have to say advertising is ok and therfore can't ban the banners bc of advertising.

I think that's a fine way to do it, and points out their idiocy.

I also think though, that we should keep this alive with another petiotion delivered NEXT meeting. It has to be carefully worded so that it doesn't restate the "exact same thing", ie hanging the banners.

But, what about a petition asking to have the PROGRRAM reinstated? Would that work? I imagine they'd just vote it down, but it keeps the issue alive. If the ADL, ACLU and others see how important this is to our community, and to the country, if it gets big enough, there will be action.

What would some good wording be to get the program reinstated? Make them keep repeating their bigotry until they hear themselves. The discussion here is great. There are real ideas and there's real action. Wheatland is proving that except for a handful, our town is no place for hate.
Thursday
2/18/10 6:33 PM
Youre not really saying??: 
Involuntarily,
I'm sorry to be a cad and point out your mistake!! But you know Jack, Doug, or MSmith would and not be near as nice!

So, what is the procedure for getting an agenda item?? We only got the 30 minutes of "Visitor" time and believe me, they heard NOTHING!! They were so disinterested, arrogant and put off!
Thursday
2/18/10 6:26 PM
An involuntarily hetrosexual man: 
You're not really saying??:

My mistake -- there are seven Board members, not nine, and the vote was 4-3.

Here's the link to the Wyoming Statute that deals with petitions.  Just scroll down to section 13 (xiii). The Board is required to "Consider every petition presented to the board and subscribed by at least five (5) citizens of the school district and take some action on such petition within thirty (30) days after it is received; provided, that no action shall be required if the precise question presented by the petition has been considered and acted upon by the board of trustees at any meeting held within the current fiscal year;"

The reason we can't petition the Board to vote again is because the statute does not require the Board to act on a petition if the Board has already voted on the same issue.
Thursday
2/18/10 6:23 PM
Leslie: 
     
Am I understanding correctly - the board can address any issue "they" want to; however if "they" don't want to address an issue - then  a person must present a petition which is signed by five (yes the magic number it seems) residents of Platte County who are over the age of 18yr which will then force the board to address that issue?  So if the statutes  ar followed in regards to petitions and at least 5 signatures are verified and presented to the board then the board could be forced to reconsider this issue?
Thursday
2/18/10 6:17 PM
You're not really saying??: 
Involuntarily,
You state everything so much better than I can and I agree with you 100%! But wasn't the board vote 4-3?? And it was reported in several news outlets that Stuart Nelson said he had 5 parents speak to him to complain about the banner. I thought "Well how lucky, you had 5!! The magic number."

But the way you gave the account of the events makes sense. So, why is it we can't petition them to vote again or get this issue as an agenda item??
Thursday
2/18/10 6:02 PM
You're not really saying??: 
Curious,
I'm with you!! Isn't it curious that Stuart Nelson came up with the number 5 (the number it takes for the board to act) to get this in front of the board? After the program had been in place for nearly 2 years and seemed to be working well for the students. Not only did hit he the jackpot with the "Lucky 5" but they made this decision during a part of the agenda called "Good Things Happening"!! This is a good thing? What the heck would a "Bad Thing Happening" be???
Thursday
2/18/10 5:55 PM
An involuntarily hetrosexual man: 
Response to Curious in Platte:

Here's what happened:  After Wheatland High School and West Elementary School completed the No Place for Hate program, and the banner had been hanging for several months, an unknown number of anonymous parents supposedly complained to Superintendent Nelson, and in response to those complaints Nelson unilaterally ordered that the banners be removed. The School Board was not involved at that point.

On January 18, a number of students attended the School Board meeting and asked the Board to permit the banners to be hanged (i.e. they asked the Board to overrule the Superintendent).  The Board voted 5-4 not to overrule the Superintendent.  It wasn't necessary for anybody to present a petition to overrule the Superintendent at that point, because the School Board was willing to consider the matter. A petition is only necessary if you want to force the Board to consider and vote on something.  If the Board is willing to consider and vote on something voluntarily, no petition is necessary.
Thursday
2/18/10 4:53 PM
SPDDMN: 
Not in the least Jack. I don't care who sponsors a universal message of peace. But really, do you think he would contribute to this cause?

Since we will not agree on the opinion you quoted as evidence of what the homosexual condition really represents, let's leave it at the fact that we are each entitled to our opinion on what is a natural function of the brain, ok? That is an entirely different subject.

Thursday
2/18/10 4:42 PM
SPDDMN: 
"The post modern relativist ignores any evidence that might contradict their personal opinion."

Great point MSmith. Very good point. Except you should replace relativist with "absolutist."

Absolutist-

Relativist-


Thursday
2/18/10 4:39 PM
Jack: 
Read it long ago, it does not disprove that homosexuals are mentally ill.
That has not changed, a political decision made under threat is not reality.

The program is a vehicle for desensitization, it could not be more clear.

What would you say if we had the same banners and used the logo from Rush Limbaughs show?

Would the advertising all of a sudden matter to you?

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Meeting Misconceptions

Sitting in on a typical Platte County School Board meeting is about as exciting as watching a cat sleep. This Monday  however, that cat will be a lion, and it won't be napping.

The February 15 board of trustees meeting will be the first since January 18, when the board voted 4-3 to remove the "No Place for Hate" banners because the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) program is partially sponsored by the Colorado Gay and Lesbian Fund (CGLF). The banners, which had been up at Wheatland High School (WHS) since fall, include the CGLF logo along with those of the other sponsors.

Shortly after the Jan. meeting, the banners were taken down, the ADL reluctantly removed WHS from the list of 25 regional schools who had earned the honor of being "No Place for Hate", and Wheatland was in the spotlight. The four board members who voted to remove the banners were interviewed by local and state newspapers, and students responded by putting NPFH posters on their lockers, and forming a Facebook page to rally support to get the banners put back up. The Platte County Record Times devoted extra space to print the many letters from WHS alumni, parents and residents who disapproved of the board's decision, as well as a handful from those who agreed with the removal of the banners. Wheatland's "Banning the Banner" became news all around Wyoming, and then the nation.

Despite what appears to be keen interest on both sides of the banner issue, and what could be a record turnout Monday, the February board meeting will be held in its regular venue, the meeting room at the Administration Office, at 1350 Oak St. As of this writing, the only time allotted to any discussion of the NPFH banners will be during the ten minute "Public Comment" period. (This is usually at the beginning of the meeting, so public, you have been warned; don't be late.)
 
ADL representative Bruce DeBoskey has formally requested time at the meeting to present facts about the NPFH program, and to answer any questions and address misconceptions the board or the public may have. DeBoskey will be at Monday's meeting, although as of this writing his Feb. 3 request to be included on this month's agenda still has not been granted.

PCSD1 Superintendent Stuart Nelson has also declined individual requests from Platte County residents to be included on the agenda regarding the banner. As of this writing, there is no Agenda available to the public on the district's website
 
According to Jason Marsden, of the Matthew Shepard Foundation in Denver, individual board members had not returned calls from the ADL. However, Chuck Ruwart, who voted with Dallas Mount and Jay Haux to keep the NPFH banners up, has not received a phone call from the ADL, or had any other communication from them besides a form given to each board member shortly after January's vote.

Two weeks after the board's decision, Superintendent Nelson told The Wyoming Tribune Eagle that the "...only negative comments [he has heard about the board's decision] had come from out-of-towners, special interest groups, and former residents" and that “…every local parent he'd spoken with supported the board's decision.”  

Another two weeks have gone by and if that was true then, it's not any more.

Part of Monday's meeting will likely include the presentation of a petition designed to keep the NPFH banner issue alive by requesting a definition of policies currently in place in local schools, and signed by local residents.

Wyo. Stat. 21-3-110(a)(viii) requires the School Board to "Consider every petition presented to the board and subscribed by at least five (5) citizens of the school district and take some action on such petition within thirty (30) days after it is received; provided, that no action shall be required if the precise question presented by the petition has been considered and acted upon by the board of trustees at any meeting held within the current fiscal year." In effect, any five people, who live in the district, can force the board to include an item on their agenda, and to vote on it, as long as the school board has not voted on the exact same thing within the same fiscal year.

Stepping up onto soapbox:  If this issue is important to you, go to the meeting. Whichever side you're on, be respectful of those who disagree with you. Listen. Ask questions. Don't jump to conclusions. Wheatland will learn something from this, and everyone has something to contribute to that.

The Mission statement of PCSD1 is available on their website, and it's exactly what I'd like to hold them to. It's worth it for all to take the time to read (or re-read) it, so here it is: 

Our Mission

The District is committed to the process of continuous school improvement.

The board, administration, and the staff will model a positive, professional working relationship by:

•Operating openly and honestly.

•Establishing two-way communication and problem solving with our patrons.

•Following a chain of command when solving problems.

•We will jointly celebrate our successes and give credit to those responsible for our successes.

 

Our vision is to prepare children to become citizens for a 21st Century workplace.


If you're attending Monday's meeting, or if you're one of the people who've publically declared your support for the banner and the NPFH program, in letters to the editor or out on the streets of Wheatland, constructively holding the district accountable to the vision declared in their mission statement would be an excellent place to start.
Tuesday
2/16/10 6:58 AM
Drifter: 
No prob, LT.  Have fun with your dead horse.  I am heading to the land of the living.
Monday
2/15/10 11:54 PM
LT: 
To Tumblewood and Drifter and everyone else who plays on the streets of Wheaterville:

You give me way too much credit and your fellow Wheatervillians not enough :) I like that "keeping the fire stoked" image...Think of Wheaterville like it's the gift of fire...you can use it to warm yourselves, or you can use it to destroy things...its up to you, but try to remember that Wheaterville is just a little tiny cog in that vast liberal media conspiracy, not the cause of your current controversy. But thanks for the momentary power trip...I'll try not to let it go to my head.  

The school board meeting was phenomenal...really. If five parents complaints about that nasty logo started this current fire, the at least dozens and dozens of local residents who were at that meeting sure ought to be able to put it out!
Monday
2/15/10 7:12 PM
Concerned: 
To Sleazy Town 4 Sale,

How dare you judge over 4,000 people by the actions of so few. Have you ever been to Wheatland? Or are you just sitting in judgement of the entire town because of the actions of a few. You must have a very small mind.
Monday
2/15/10 2:40 PM
Sleazy Town 4 Sale: 
Tumblehead, what exactly is there to promote about Wheatland? Sounds like you are of the make this go away mind, and you'd like all the big bad media to go away, from this blog to the Casper and Cheyenne and Laramie and out and beyond. How come? What are you afraid of? Should people be promoting a stupid decision by the school board? Ya everyone move to Wheatland if you are how they define as normal. No thanks. 
Monday
2/15/10 2:27 PM
Drifter: 
You are totally right Tumblewood.
Monday
2/15/10 2:17 PM
Mrs. Beasley Says : 
To Will it Change anything? It has and it is. When is the last time you saw people taking a stand for much of anything around here? Wheatland gets to be known as the town of hate and intolerance or the little town that yelled and made a difference. Either way, things have changed. The question is for worse or for better?
Monday
2/15/10 1:30 PM
tumblewood: 
It looks like this website and its financier and LT love a good squabble and as long as they can keep the fire stoked they get a lot of hits on their web site. It is too bad the web site does not promote the town rather than tear it down. Your kicking a dead horse now!!!!!:)
Monday
2/15/10 1:30 PM
Will it change anything?: 
     The school board has already made their decision once, I doubt that they will change their minds and overturn their last decision, I hate to say this but they don't want to look like they made the wrong decision.  Or was it even a wrong decision that they made in the first place, they made their decisions based on the facts that they had before them, if everyone was so worried about the banners they should of given them more info before the first vote, I don't believe that they will change their vote and I'm sure the banners will stay in the trash.  Move on Wheatland focus on more important things.   
Sunday
2/14/10 9:47 AM
Jack: 
"Our vision is to prepare children to become citizens for a 21st Century workplace."

What a horrible mission statement!

Is the only value to education the ability to be in the "workplace."

How about we educate ourselves and our children for the value a true education holds?

No wonder our country is swirling around the drain hole. Everybody's concern is that the teenager won't be able to run the cash register when he graduates instead of valuing a true education.

It sounds like something Stalin or Hitler would have said to prepare the nations "workers."
Sunday
2/14/10 9:00 AM
Terry McPhail: 
The school board should read its own mission statement. Do any of those people think before they open their mouths? He lost me when he said every single parent who had contacted him was for the censorship of the banner. Not even in the middle of Wyoming are you going to get that kind of homogeneity. Look it up, it doesn't mean gay.
Sunday
2/14/10 7:23 AM
So: 
Didn't the school Board already vote on this question in the fiscal year.
Saturday
2/13/10 5:47 PM
thanks: 
This is good advice. If more listening had been going on at last month's meeting we wouldn't probably be where we are now. It's important to remember that everyone on the board even if you don't agree with their vote either way is your neighbor.
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Wheatland, Meet Your School Board
This is your School Board:  Chairman Kelly Tyson, Clara Powers, Dallas Mount, Chuck Ruwart, Joe Fabian, Lee Dunham, Jay Houx.

This is your School Board Under Pressure: THE SCHOOL BOARD IS JUST NOT RESPONDING TO THE ADL'S REQUEST TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY'S MEETING. JUST NOT RESPONDING. [Cue ears-in-fingers "blah blah blah blah I can't hear you blah blah blah blah.]

IN ADDITION, NOT A SINGLE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER HAS THE SPINE OR THE SPIRIT TO ANSWER REPEATED CALLS TO EACH OF THEM, FROM BRUCE DEBOSKEY, WHO IS THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR OF THE ADL, AND IN CHARGE OF THE "NO PLACE FOR HATE" PROGRAM. NOT THE FOUR WHO OFFERED THEIR UNFORGETTABLE SOUND BYTES LAST TIME AROUND NOR THE THREE WHO VOTED TO KEEP THE BANNERS UP.

Yelling? You bet your sweet behind I am. And if in fact I am wrong, and any board member HAS answered Mr. DeBoskey's repeated attempts to speak with them, and to get on the agenda, please speak up. Doesn't matter which "side" you're on, at least have the decency to be accountable for what you believe in.

Wheatland, Meet Your School Board. Instead of standing up for either side, they're sitting down. NOT RESPONDING! If I close my eyes you can't see me, ostrich-head-in-sand mentality. 

IN ADDITION, THE NO PLACE FOR HATE BANNER ISSUE IS NOT EVEN ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY'S MEETING!!! IT HAS BEEN REQUESTED AND THE BOARD HAS DECIDED IN ITS INFINITE WHATEVER THAT THEY WILL NOT INCLUDE IT ON THE AGENDA! That means that any and all discussion of this topic will have to fit into the TEN MINUTE discussion period known as Public Comment.

Wheatland, review what your School Board has taught by its example. First, Wheatland High School, through its School Board, has decided that WHS does not want to be "No  Place for Hate". Whatever the reason.

Second kids, when confrontation rears its head, DUCK. Ignore. Don't Respond. Don't allow any opportuntiy for discussion or dialogue. Don't return phone calls. 

Despicable. Cowardly. NOT that oft glorified and seldom exemplified "Cowboy Way." 

Wheatland, you can either take this, or you can fight this. If you don't stand up now, then stay seated and shut up when the school board or any other Big Government Decider makes a decision for you. To say nothing, and to do nothing at this point is its own statement, and it ain't pretty.
Tuesday
2/16/10 2:33 PM
You're not really saying??: 
If the program is the important part not the "advertising", then let the kids continue the program, right?

Doug,
More common ground!!?? I'm very proud of us! No arguing with each other or at each other!! I think both sides have more in common than what it looks like on the surface.

But here is where the impasse lies. Without open discussion we can't get anything accomplished, let alone what is best for my child and yours.

I'm asking the school board to reconsider their vote and it would be perfectly acceptable to me if the vote came out the same IF and only if I believed I got to tell them my stand.

The first vote was taken with very little public input! I didn't realize there was a problem! And last night at the board meeting the elected officials seemed "put out" by the fact that people were there to discuss their decision.

I voted!! In America that gives me a right to agree or disagree with the person/people we elected. But it doesn't give them the right to close the door because I happen to challenge their decision.

If nothing else this has given our youngsters a close-up view or ringside seat into our political system. And maybe it will encourage them to register to vote on their 18th birthday! It's a right that many youngsters will take for granted until we no longer have the right to vote! And I'm just a Mom! But I have always believed in the power of 1 vote!! How's that for a Civics lesson??
Tuesday
2/16/10 2:10 PM
Doug: 
"I teach my child to be kind and respectful but I truly hope the school and our community can assist in reinforcing these ideals, not for me but with me."

We can surely can agree on the villiage to raise a child beliefs friend.  I do the same with my children.  And as for the funding, putting aside the lack of vocabulary to express their stance- the board and admin agreed that the program was not hurting the students and said the program could continue minus the GLFC logos.  But, as I'm sure you have read, the program could not stay if the banners don't- this is where we begin to see the "agenda" of the GLFC group's true colors begin to show.  If the program is the important part not the "advertising", then let the kids continue the program, right?
Tuesday
2/16/10 2:06 PM
Drifter: 
No prob.  They don't have to want their own medicine.  They have to take it.  It is the law.
Tuesday
2/16/10 1:56 PM
You're not really saying??: 
Doug,
See we have some found some common ground! But I hold elected officials to a higher standard and I don't afford them the luxury to "mis-speak." Especially when they are speaking of the welfare of MY child.

So we agree, in most regards, that they meant to say special interest groups? Yes! Ok what about the First Ladies Initiative, Partnership for a Drug Free America, Rachel's Challenge? All special interest groups and all displayed for all to see in the "COMMON"s area of the high school. Do you see where this leads? But you and I have found some common ground and can discuss this??? (That is my goal here!! Discussion, find our differences, and come together for the good of our families, school and community!)

My child participated in No Place For Hate. After being told about it during last school year, I did a fair amount of research. I thought it was a positive program. I thought it was reinforcing the ideals of kindness and respect I would like my child to have and taught at home.

I didn't take into consideration that the Gay/Lesbian Fund of Colorado was sponsoring it because honestly it was never brought to my attention. So I was more than astonished when a vote was taken at the Jan. 18 meeting and all of a sudden the program was gone. I'm still not sure how I stand on the issue of the funding but I will stand up and say "I teach my child to be kind and respectful but I truly hope the school and our community can assist in reinforcing these ideals, not for me but with me."

Is this some more common ground for us??
Tuesday
2/16/10 1:55 PM
Doug: 
Thanks for posting that Drifter.  But the ADL wouldn't ever consider their own medicine and more than likley can't with that GIANT splinter in their eye.
Remeber liberal newbies, the rules only apply when they coinside with your agenda.
Tuesday
2/16/10 1:17 PM
Drifter: 
Here is another little blurb from the Constitution:
Article 7, Section 12:
No sectarian instruction, qualifications, or tests shall be imparted,exacted, applied or in any manner tolerated in the schools of any gradeor character controlled by the state, nor shall attendance be requiredat any religious service therein, nor shall any sectarian tenets ordoctrines be taught or favored in any public school or institution thatmay be established under this constitution.


And here is a blurb concerning the ADL

ADL Calls Upon Wyoming Attorney General to Investigate Use of State Funds by Religious Organizations


Denver, May 23, 2006 ...The Anti-Defamation League's Mountain States Regional Office todayexpressed serious concerns about reports that Wyoming state funds arebeing used by religious organizations to promote religious agendas, andcalled upon the Wyoming Attorney General to launch a full-scaleinvestigation into whether these expenditures violate the WyomingConstitution and long-standing principles of separation of church andstate.

The Associated Pressreported that the Wyoming Department of Family Services has funneledtens of thousands of dollars to a grant program administered by aprivate religious corporation that has funded churches, ministries andreligiously oriented anti-abortion centers.

Bruce H. DeBoskey, ADL's Mountain States Regional Director issued the following statement:

The reported use ofWyoming state funds to promote religion raises bright red flags thatindicate the Wyoming Constitution and principles of church/stateseparation may have been violated.  The Wyoming Constitution providesthat "No money of the state shall ever be given or appropriated to anysectarian or religious society or institution." The AP report raisesserious questions about whether this law, embodying long-standingprinciples of church and state separation, has been flagrantly ignored.

ADL calls upon theWyoming Attorney General to immediately launch a full-scaleinvestigation to ascertain whether violations of Wyoming and Federallaw have occurred. The citizens of Wyoming deserve a full explanationas to what extent state funds are being used to promote one religionover another, and religion over non-religion, in violation of law.


Here is the link:

http://www.adl.org/NR/exeres/A514AE8E-DA4E-4307-980C-52F9B5FE78AF,0B1623CA-D5A4-465D-A369-DF6E8679CD9E,frameless.htm







To the ADL:  Practice what you preach, since you are so keen on upholding the Wyoming Constitution as it applies to non-profit religious orginizations.

Tuesday
2/16/10 1:15 PM
Doug: 
You're not really saying-

I agree with what you just posted below as well, that is why I said "So yes- the board and administration mis-spoke.  What they meant and should have said was "We won't allow any special intrest group's promotional banners in our schools, i.e Focus on the Family.".  There is a definiate difference between advertising product and political agenda.  I also understand how business marketing works and the reasons behind them, and agree with you that everyone should have the opportunity to represent Wheatland on the court, mat, field, track or debate podium.
I truely do feel that the board and administration did indeed mean to say what I posted above, but failed in delivering that point at a very critical time.
So, I have respectfully agreeded after clarification and conceed my point.
Tuesday
2/16/10 12:24 PM
You're not really saying??: 
Doug,
You seem to be missing my point! I don't care what they do with the banner!! I really don't! Hang it, don't hang it--I don't give a rat's snotball what you do with it!

My concern is the programs, including, but not limited too, band, reading, sports, drama, speech, etc. All of which rely on participant funding as well as advertising!

Parents who have children who choose to be involved in these activities are already financially strapped. So, what we will have are the wealthy families being involved and less fortunate children being left out.

I'm not telling you what to believe! But there are some people who are attempting to look at the bigger picture! The board members called it advertising. Can we agree on that? If yes, go to the gym and look around. Advertising everywhere! The Speech Meet, recently held here in town,
sponsorships and advertising were sold just to be able to hold the event.

We can't field a football team, band, cheerleaders, dancers or volleyball team without asking for advertising dollars. So, the brunt of the finances will have to be taken up by the school (who we know can't afford it) or the parents of the participants.

I'm simply asking the board to reconsider their decision and open up discussion on how this will affect other programs. Or say "we are afraid of the Gay/Lesbian issue." And you know what, it's ok to be afraid of that--I am too. But I believe as a community we should be encouraged to accept our fear and face it for a long-term outcome that is successful for everyone!
Tuesday
2/16/10 12:00 PM
Doug: 
You're not really saying??: 
Doug, I guess as a registered Republican, who votes and has voted Republican most of my life, has now become a "bleeding heart liberal"? Well if that's true, make my heart bleed! I wasn't feeling attacked!!

Sorry, I wasn't reffering to your voting record, I was however reffering to your mental logic of taking one's opionions as dirrect assualts on your person, whatever that side of the spectrum that puts you on...
as in your comment as follows "you weren't arguing with me, you were arguing at me!"

Take a deep breath.
Tuesday
2/16/10 10:06 AM
You're not really saying??: 
Doug, I guess as a registered Republican, who votes and has voted Republican most of my life, has now become a "bleeding heart liberal"? Well if that's true, make my heart bleed! I wasn't feeling attacked!! I was attempting to make a point! That point being, "If you want to take down ANYTHING because it is advertising, then do that. But you have to take down EVERYTHING considered advertising."

While I believe "No Place for Hate" to be a good program, I also believe there are other programs that will suit the purpose.

But to take down a banner and state "we won't allow our children to be advertised to" when you really mean "I'm afraid of the Gay/Lesbian issue" is wrong and will affect programs that rely heavily on advertising support.

I said in an earlier post, "Call a spade a spade! But if we don't want one spade we have to remove all the spades."
What I meant by that is, remove the banner and say it's because of fear or risk having other advertising removed just like the banner!

There was a petition presented to the board at the meeting last night and that's the intention of these well meaning parents. They want all advertising in the schools scrutinized as much as the NPFH banner. Is that what we want?

Tuesday
2/16/10 9:14 AM
An involuntarily hetrosexual man: 
Doug, you seem be suggesting that the School Board's hostility toward the Gay and Lesbian Fund for Colorado lies exclusively in the fact that the Fund does not sell a particular product.  Does that mean that you don't think it would have a problem with Gay and Lesbian Fashion Outlet of Colorado?  I seriously doubt it.

I also seriously doubt that the School Board would have a problem with a banner sponsored by the Partnership for a Drug Free America -- a private special interest group with an agenda to promote. 

The School Board voted to forbid the banner for one, and only one reason:  It is sponsored by an organization that happens to have the words "Gay and Lesbian" in its name. 

And no, it wasn't because of the Gay and Lesbian Fund's "agenda."  The School Board had no idea what the Gay and Lesbian Fund's agenda was when it voted to forbid the banner.  All it knew was that the name of the group had the words "Gay and Lesbian," in it, and based on that alone it assumed that it's "agenda," whatever it was, must be something horrible.

The Gay and Lesbian Fund does have an agenda, particularly as it pertains to schools.  Here it is:  "Safe schools that are supportive and free from harassment and violence for LGBT and LGBT-parented students."

That's it.  That's the "gay agenda" here.  Now, what part of that do you think the school board members who voted against the banner disagree with? 
Tuesday
2/16/10 8:49 AM
Doug: 
"You weren't arguing WITH me!! You were arguing AT me!!"

If that is not the most telling response that DEFINES a bleeding heart liberal, I have never seen one. Meaning this, your type can not bear to here an opposing point of view without feeling personally "attacked".  It is laughable!  Get over it simply explained to you how, in order to be "advertising" a product, you must sell a product.  To be "promoting" a product (in this case beliefs) you don't have a physical widget, you have an ajenda to push.  So yes- the board and administration mis-spoke.  What they meant and should have said was "We won't allow any special intrest group's promotional banners in our schools, i.e Focus on the Family."

This is not all about "you".  You libs need to take a step back, breath deep, open your ears and take a bit of your own preaching to heart.  Listen to others view points with an open mind (meaning don't be a "bigot") and see if you can't learn that not all people that don't agree with your point of view don't hate you and aren't personally attacking "YOU".
Tuesday
2/16/10 6:44 AM
advert etc: 
no, didn't say YOU were asking for sport money..just everyone seems to be.. a general comment.
Monday
2/15/10 10:10 PM
oh wow: 
Do you think i was asking for more money for sports?? You so missed my point! To the point that I have to ask, does your stupidity hurt??
Monday
2/15/10 6:38 PM
advert. and sports in school: 
yep, let's keep spending money on  sports... so what if reading, writing and all the other classes suffer.
Monday
2/15/10 6:00 PM
You're not really saying??: 
You weren't arguing WITH me!! You were arguing AT me!! My point is that this will be costly if all advertising in the school is taken down!! That is the next step!!

My children enjoy sports! So to be able to keep them in sports, I will have to take them to a different school district where they accept advertising without all this fuss!!

But that will be a good thing!! Then everyone in Wheatland will think like you and you won't have to argue!
Monday
2/15/10 5:49 PM
Get over it.: 
I am not on the school board, and I am done arguing with you, as it is a waste of time.
Monday
2/15/10 5:38 PM
You're not really saying??: 
Get Over It is on the school board! Can you tell? If someone says something against what they say, they turn their head and ignore them!! Get Over It and the school board better know right now---this is NOT going away!! You can turn your head, plug your ears, or bury your head in the sand! People are not going to take this lying down.

You called the banner advertising and now all advertising will be under scrutiny!! You watch! It will happen!!

Monday
2/15/10 5:28 PM
Get over it.: 
Thanks Shiloh!  I appreciate your comment.  Thank you for your imput as well.  I agree with your stance.
Monday
2/15/10 5:04 PM
spoken: 
I think the couple of people that spoke for me did a wonderful job!!!!!!
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LETTER TO Superintendent Nelson and Board of Trustees

Please sign the online petition by clicking here!

Dear Superintendent Nelson and Board of Trustees:

We were shocked and dismayed to read about the school board’s decision against the “No Place for Hate” banners. As graduates of Wheatland High School, we have always been proud of the excellent education we received. However, after this short-sighted decision by the school board, we have serious doubts about the elected leadership of PCSD #1.

Let us say that Wheatland is full of decent, fair-minded people. They need to stand up to intolerance, because nothing positive will come about until they do. This is not about liberal vs. conservative or Republican vs. Democrat. This is a fair vs. unfair and right vs. wrong issue.

The four members of the school board who voted against the banners are not promoting the district’s vision of “Empowerment through learning so students can be successful now and in the future.” Nor are they “Preparing children for the 21st Century”, as noted on the district’s website. In fact, they are actively working against and discouraging both.

What these Trustees appear to be saying is that the only students they wish to empower and be successful are those who fit their idea of ‘normal.’ It is extremely disappointing to hear that Mr. Lee Dunham was a proponent of this terrible decision, given his lifelong dedication to education.
Further, just like any other district, PCSD #1 has policies against discrimination of any kind, hate, and bullying, as well as others that mandate tolerance of differences, good character, and a safe learning environment. With this decision, the school board just sent a message that they are going to violate their own policies, plus expect faculty and staff to promote this violation.

It wasn’t long ago that Matthew Shepard’s murder thrust the good people of Wyoming into negative limelight. While “No Place for Hate” is an inclusive program that teaches tolerance of all differences—physical, mental, racial, religious (the list goes on), the main reason given for not allowing the banners singled out sexual differences, which unfortunately brought negative publicity yet again.

If they had an issue with a sponsor, why couldn’t they have reached a compromise such as trimming that part of the poster (though it is proper to name all program sponsors, no matter who they are) or making posters without sponsor names? Those might not have been options, but surely there was a way to make this work and hold on to a program that not only helped raise awareness and tolerance of others, but appears to have been supported by the students themselves.
Instead, they chose to broadcast ignorance and narrow-mindedness and ensure that this inclusive, multi-faceted program could not continue. These Trustees should reverse their decision, then attend board training on diversity and make a formal apology, or else resign their seats. One shudders to think of the public relations nightmare these elected officials have created. 

Schools and parents owe it to children to give them the tools to be successful adults—which includes working and playing among a diverse group of people with all types of differences. Those who supported the “No Place for Hate” effort are doing just that. Others are doing a tremendous disservice to these kids and are in essence telling them it’s OK to treat others who don’t look, think, or act like them as second-class citizens.

Our question to them is, “Do you realize you likely have at least one of these ‘second-class citizens’ in your own family?”

Melody (Wilhelm) Brooks, Class of 1986
Leven Moore, Class of 1983
Tina (Bowman) Gnauden, Class of 1984
Katrina Crossland, Class of 2005
Heidi Wilhelm, Class of 1982
Cheryl Lynn (O'Connell) Herman, Class of 1986
Larry D. Herman, Class of 1986
Leslie (Cox) Crossland, Class of 1985
Chuck Cox, Class of 1988
Thahn Nygen, Class of 2007
Linnea Jonnsson, Class of 2008
Tristiny Clausen, Class of 2009
Briana Sheeley, Class of 2005
Tammie (Roberts) Kennedy, Class of 1988
Emma (Bray) Myers, Class of 1986
Stacy (Prewitt) Fernandes, Class of 1986
Carri Weber, Class of 1985
Terri (Weber) Lenz, Class of 1985
James Weber, Class of 1988
Lynn (Hazaleus) Kober, Class of 1989
Will Nolan, Class of 1984
Steven R. Freund [former student], Class of 2006
Scott C. Freund [former student], Class of 2006
Sean Patrick Freund [former resident], Class of 2007
Trevor D. Herman [former resident], Class of 2008
Jeremy Bredeson, Class of 1991
Rebecca (Hattan) Motley, Class of 1988
Rebecca (Lee) Maxwell, Class of 1987
Terri (Williams) Yeadon, Class of 1984 - left Wheatland due to unfair treatment of her mixed-race child
Wade Yeadon, Class of 1981
Michelle (Sorensen) George, Class of 1984
Kelly (Beidleman) Storebo, Class of 1989
Andrew Morrell, Class of 1989
Marlo (Laatsch) Miller, Class of 1987
Cory (Fluharty) Meyer, Cass of 1994
Joe Grotts, Class of 1990
Janelle (Stauffer)Wade, Class of 1990 
Teresa Minear, Class of 1991 and parent of current WHS junior
Britnee Bayne, Class of 1984
Paula (Turner) Flynn, Class of 1985
Deborah (Maston) Coffey, Class of 1990
Brenda (Helgelien) Herring, Class of 1987
Andrea (Stacy) Kirk, Class of 1983
Nancy (Portwood) Taylor, Class of 1989
Anthony Morelli, Class of 1984
Beth (Shepard) Hendon, Class of 1987
Jill (Archbold) Surrell, Class of 1994
Wendi Scholten, Class of 1996
Dona (Smith) Winger, Class of 1994
Craig Kittelson, taught in Wheatland from 1970-91 and had two kids graduate from WHS
Erin Grady, Class of 1997
Shane Durland, Class of 1986
Marne Durland
Jenny (Elliott) Wells, Class of 1995
Janice (Greer) Smith, Class of 1992
Will Smith, Class of 1991
Lee Morrison, Class of 1984
Dani Thompson, Class of 1995
Kristen Wagner, Class of 1983
Malina King, Class of 1983
Patrick Moore, Class of 1986
Lacey (Ward) Lynch, Class of 1994
Bill Smith, Class of 1994
Tami (Cordonier) Mascarenas, Class of 1984
Ronda (Blake) Stumbough, Cheyenne East High Class of 1981, parent of current student
Justin Herdt, Class of 1998
Thelma (Lucero) Kopejtka, Class of 1991
Robin (Lucas) Kuss, Class of 1982
Kelly (Reynolds) LaFayette, former resident with five children who attended Wheatland schools; one graduated from Wheatland
Felicia Messimer, Class of 1997
Mike Wilhelm, Class of 1984
Gabe Fernandez, Class of 1985
Gina (Zeppetella) Thorne, Class of 1985
Richie Thorne, Class of 1985
Wesley Wimber, Class of 1984
Deborah (Spaid) Anderson, Class of 1989
Daniel E. Williams, Class of 1987
Tammy (Koster) Wells, Class of 1987 
Curtis Cook, Class of 1998
Jenifer Cook, Class of 2001
Kelly Cook, Grandfather of current student
Jeanette Cook, Grandmother of current student
Gregory Slagle, Class of 1983
Jodi Freeman-Fuentes, Class of 1994
Tuesday
2/2/10 6:32 PM
yeah right.: 
"So now all homophobic people have to keep their mouths shut. Very interesting."

The day that happens is the day the world explodes. Homophobes don't know how to shut up.
Tuesday
2/2/10 2:29 PM
Not sure: 
So now all homophobic people have to keep their mouths shut. Very interesting.
Sunday
1/31/10 7:32 PM
Messimer, 1997 grad: 
 

A comment for 2006 Grad:

"First of all, the board members at the Platte County schools are there for a reason. They were voted/hired into those positions to lead this district in whatever way they see fit."

Actually, no. Board members are elected officials. They should set their prejudices aside and vote in a way that benefits all the students in WHS. Their actions put their agenda in play. Had they simply kept their homophobic mouths shut and mentioned that they didn’t like any “sponsorships” on the banners, this would most likely be a non-issue.

Some of these comments really make me sick. It takes a lot of energy to hate. I wish people could learn simply learn to accept that “different” is normal.

Lish Messimer, class of 1997

Saturday
1/30/10 7:31 PM
Rose Blumer: 
I have always realized that there are a lot of small minded people in this town, and it is true that if you have a different relgious orientation than christian you are told to go back where you came from. Guess, what I came from here!! The good old USA, the country of all freedoms. Now our Board members seem to be condoning hate. I have contacted the ACLU and I am proud that I did!
Saturday
1/30/10 3:45 PM
Equality: 
The word in my last post was suppose to be can't
Saturday
1/30/10 3:42 PM
Equality: 
You have misread my sarcasim. As far as the Rec Center issue I do believe the town would support building one not sure if it could support to run it afterwards as per a survey that was done a few years back. Does it make sense to build something that you can afford to keep open after you build it.
Saturday
1/30/10 12:09 PM
Matthew Shephard: 
If you had evidence that his death was because of a drug deal gone bad, you should have been coming forward with this information before the trial, since it was materially important information. If you did not do so, you were possibly enabling a miscarriage of justice, and you are in no position to lecture anybody on anything. 
Saturday
1/30/10 11:43 AM
to: eqauality: 
Um, yeah that is partially true because most of the people ARE the same.. bigoted, homophobic,  racist, and predominately Christian.  those people usually treat each other the same.  but if you have a different opinion you get kicked around like a dog.  I've lived here 15 years; I'm pretty sure I would know.  no offense but you obviously don't seem to have a clue about the ignorant mentality of a town of 3,500 who won't even let a rec center here because they think it costs too much, and want everything left as it is.  I am a moderate/conservative but some of the idealogy here is ridiculous..
Saturday
1/30/10 6:01 AM
Equality: 
Wheatland is not a hateful community they treat everybody the same that does not agree with them including Pastors
Friday
1/29/10 9:44 PM
Melody: 
No, I didn't. They have their own copies with my email address if they wish to contact or correct me. At least one also knows how to get in touch with me through family. I would love to have to write a retraction or correction. So far, no replies. Part of the reason for writing it was to see if we would get more of the story. But I don't expect to hear anything. IMO they have handled this poorly from the start, and I don't see anything changing.
Friday
1/29/10 8:47 PM
Stupid: 
Stupid is as stupid does
Friday
1/29/10 8:45 PM
Go talk: 
Melody did you go talk to the 4 members that voted to remove the banners. Maybe we are not getting the whole story.
Friday
1/29/10 6:31 PM
To the Grads of WHS: 
You did get a good education, and you learned well not to just "take it" when "it" is crap. Great letter, and great coming together for the cause. In honor of JACK, maybe everyone should find ONE PERSON tonite and get that new person to sign the petition. Send a note to media, Rachel Maddow? Any one of those horrible liberal media people. We should make this national.
Friday
1/29/10 3:17 PM
It doesn't matter: 
confused your name says it all I said a Hurricane in Florida not wheatland put the weed down go back to Arby's and keep making food to keep people fat..  
Friday
1/29/10 9:45 AM
Will: 
I give tours of the area; we will no longer stop in this county.  That means no local business will get our dollars and the county will not get any revenue. There is no place in this nation for a community comfortable in its prejudices.
Thursday
1/28/10 11:10 PM
confused!: 
REALLY?? REALLY??  A hurricane in wheatland how dumb can you get?? It's like having an ocean around denver Colorado.
Thursday
1/28/10 8:38 PM
Looks Like the PETITION will hit 500 soon!: 

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/NoBanningTheBanner/


WOW. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS SIGNED. WHEATLAND IS NOT A PLACE OF HATE! 
Thursday
1/28/10 7:55 PM
You are kidding: 
Murder is Murder know matter of race, sexual orientation, color, religion or hate. We have laws in this country enforce what we have and love one another regardless of the other crap.
Thursday
1/28/10 5:53 PM
Roger: 
 

Dear It Doesn’t Matter:

I live in Wyoming just south of you and taught in one of our High Schools. At least we had a LBGT club in that school and the students there for the most part seemed tolerant of what were of very open members of this community. If I’d had some of these same students in Torrington I would have feared for their safety. This board’s attitude puts students at risk.  

On top of that dear It Doesn’t Matter I would have sent your letter back for resubmission as failing to meet district standards. Maybe it meets the standards at Torrington however.

Thursday
1/28/10 5:11 PM
Well Explained: 
I will have to say good job to, "2006 graduate", and " It doesnt Matter". Well Expained!
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Hubert Has a Fence AND a Special Use Permit

Right?

I mean, we all sort of think that Hubert got his Special Use Permit this time around. Didn't he? Sure he did. How could he not?

If he did, it comes strapped to a lot of conditions, including, you guessed it, a fence. And this time a fence with Conditions. (Ain't nobody in Wheaterville gonna have to say: "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." Uh-Uh.)
 
Hubert finally gets his Special Use Permit (for at least six months or until there are more complaints) after a Zoning Certificate is approved, and after he builds a fence of bundles or boards, eight feet high, from the NE corner of his place to 50 feet from his house.

Deja vu again, but on a more manageable scale.

Marlin the Planner however, does not like being undermined, and he said so. He's not sure the current screening really screens, although everyone else, including the Planning and Zoning Board, disagrees with his assessment. If that fence does anything, it screens, is the the concensus. But darn it all, Marlin the Planner does not appreciate the "established rules" being bent. He was supposed to win this one.

Platte County resident Chris Gray agreed that Hubert's "bad behavior" shouldn't be "rewarded". Wait, what "bad behavior?" Oh--challenging his right to get the Special Use Permit! Which he got. Which indicates that he should have had a whole hell of a long time ago. Seems like "bad behavior"  like that "fighting for what is right" is something we all oughta see more of.

However, just to make sure that no one thinks anyone except Hubert and the posse were ever in the wrong, one of the conditions of Hubert's Special Use Permit is that everyone agrees that the approval of the Special Use Permit does not in any way "...imply any County override of applicable District Court Orders." So there. Na na na na na. 

Bottom line is that there'll be some more fence building going on before the Saga of Hubert is over, but it looks like everyone is ok with all of it.

Right?
Tuesday
6/2/09 2:09 PM
Huberts Possee: 
So, does anyone know for sure if Hubert has his 4th Special Use Permit....in his hand?  If not, why?
If so, good!
Tuesday
5/26/09 8:52 AM
Huberts Possee: 
Yep, Hubert got the special use permit but with all the conditions...like the "screening" extended within 50 feet of his house.  Does Marlin lay awake all night thinking up stipulations that have to be followed to get a special use permit?
The fence/screening really only benefits the neighbor across the road, that helped start all this up roar.  She can now look at the bundles of slabs instead of the salvage materials.  I hope she is happy that she caused Hubert all this trouble after he plowed and maintained her road for 15 years.  It cost Hubert $17,000 of his $20,000 bond, that the commissioners paid Grays Metal Solutions to remove equiptment from Huberts property.  Then there is the damage that was done to the sawmill equiptment.  Do you think the stress of 5 years of litigation has help contribute of Hubert's poor health?
We need to get Marlin out of the Planning and Zoning before this happens again. 
By the way, is there anyone interested in running for Dan Kirkbrides commissioner position? 
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New Year, New Stuff

2009 in Wheatland, WY and the surrounds looks like the times they are a' changin'.

WADCO is PCED...New Year, New Name. Wheatland Area Development COrporation (WADCO) is now Platte County Economic Development (PCED). New executive director coming soon, and a new website too...former ed Susan Jenkins had Big Wind Guys in town and they were NOT just talking hot air. 2009 could bring more wind and more economic development to Platte County, and PCED will be a driving force.

For instance, take a photo of the drive on I25 between Wheatland and Chugwater sometime this year. Odds are it's going to look mighty different by the time 2014 rolls around. That's been named The Wind Corridor by wind folks in the know--pretty soon you'll be able to connect the dots between the wind turbines, 'cuz folks, we got wind, lots of it, and the gov'ment gots cash to spend on turning it into energy.

That Big, Wonderful, New nursing home in Wheatland? Sounds like Platte County Economic Development there too. There's a timeline on this and lots of checkpoints--stay tuned and get involved. The good news is that the new nursing home will affect just about everyone at some point. Make it what you want it to be.

Get involved in PCED, get involved in the Chamber of Commerce, support local businesses, stick your nose into local politics, contribute time and ideas to your town and be a part of all the positive that's happening. 

You don't have to "go with the flow" but you should at least jump into the water.

Saturday
3/7/09 6:19 AM
Believe: 
   Wind turbines and economic developement to Platte county. Believe it when I see it.
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3/7/09 5:11 AM
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3/6/09 2:47 PM
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3/6/09 2:44 PM
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2/9/09 7:24 AM
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One More Reason to Hate Boulder, CO
Boulder, CO had their annual "Naked Pumpkin Run" with 300 bare-buttocks (that'd be 150 partici-pants, with two buttocks per) runners. They run thru the streets of that crazy liberal prarie dog hugging elitist enclave every year, wearing just a pumpkin on their head, er, on their noggin to be more specific. And if that doesn't make you just want to spit and poke fun, how 'bout the fact that 12 of those intellectual latte drinkers got CAUGHT and arrested! (Would you DO this if you couldn't avoid being CAUGHT?!?!?)
Anyway, Boulder might just slap their behinds with "sex offender" status, so there!
Wednesday
12/31/08 8:38 AM
Boulder Bun Basher: 
Ya, even Boulder goes after sex offenders but this does seem extreme. Maybe though that's why all the Colorado sex offenders come up here to Wyoming where they're safe. Maybe Wyoming should look around and learn from Boulder. Is this on Youtube?
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Wheaterville for the History Buffs
And sorry folks, but if you don't know who Ace is you're just not paying attention :)

Ace pauses from Real Work to reflect, enlighten and shut the cranky guy up.

The Mitch Cozad story "timed out" as in literally. Ace conferred with the in-house Guru who'll cement all the stories into the right-hand column for anyone who likes to beat dead horses. The Guru is busy doing Real Work Guru jobs right now, but hold onto your poison pen and we'll get it up there for you to fume at. The Mitch story has certainly been interesting and likely will get even more so.

Here's the abridged Wheaterville.com history, for anyone interested. Ace quit the PCRT. (That's a chapter in itself, and is most entertaining over a cuppa coffee or a glass of wine.)

Back before the first rattlesnake of the season, an editorial with a totally erroneous and unresearched LIE appeared in the PCRT. Ace, who has a low tolerance for both bad ethics and shoddy research, whipped up a rebuttal but needed a vehicle to get it out there. Ace correctly predicted that the PCRT would not supply the ride, and when that was confirmed by the nut behind the wheel (a most dangerous malfunction in any vehicle) Wheaterville.com was born.

We'll get the Guru to get that seminal work back up in the right-hand column too, so folks can reminisce.

Folks who figgered out who the heck Ace was pretty darn quickly started contacting Ace with story ideas. Clearly there was a hole in the fabric of journalism that only Wheaterville could fill, so Ace cheerfully began writing stuff.

More calls, more emails, more "hey, I L-O-V-E Wheaterville" praise from both natives and transfers and even more hand-covering-mouth whispered accolades from people who didn't think they should be sporting "Go Wheaterville.com" verbal bumper stickers in the checkout line at Safeway. (You really wouldn't believe who's reading Wheaterville! Or maybe you would...)

Be assured that Ace doesn't take offense to any nasty comments. Life'd be pretty boring if that were the case. Do be assured however, that Ace smiles broadly and often at compliments, so thanks to all-y'all who bother to pat backs and scratch itches. 'Tis much appreciated!

Copy and Paste journalism here? Not a chance in Hades. You don't like the way Ace writes? Go somewherez else. Ace'll try to not lose too much sleep over it.

Fans, be patient, 'k? Wheaterville is at that awkward Toddler stage. Smart and sassy enough that folks expect we know what we're doing, but we're really just learning how to maneuver around this strange new world. And we're growing at an astonishing rate, with lots more ideas than time. But winter is a comin'...those long dark days are great for implementing crazy ideas.

Cranky guy, knock off the out-of-your-posterior plagerism/copyright accusations. You can keep being as cranky as you want to about anything else tho. Keeps us on our toes. We like that.
Tuesday
3/4/08 8:55 AM
Mo Mousie : 
Hey Ace, we think it is great that this site is evolving and we know it takes "real work" to keep this site up to date. 
Also like the weather reports and the info on Wheatland activities.
BUT, not much from down south in Chugville land?
Tuesday
3/4/08 12:04 AM
Question: 

Ace,

Not that I would ever consider enjoying a cuppa coffee or a glass of wine with you..........who is the nut behind the wheel?  Why did you have to leave the record times?  Is Wheaterville.com  your own personal vehicle to 'stir the pot?'  It seems, after reading, that that is your intention.  I would think 15 minutes of your time could be better spent on other avenues of 'bringing people together.' It may be fun for you to see others in a dither because of what you write and post on the Internet.  Remember, although Wheatland and surrounding communities are not large, populated areas, we are not idiots and do care what is written about us.  Why don't  you try to do something productive with the time you have alloted yourself.

Thursday
10/4/07 9:02 PM
hmmm: 
ok (sorry, just seemed to fit the others!)
Thursday
9/13/07 9:02 AM
ff: 
ff
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